Re: experiment with awareness
I am thinking now, thinking nice thoughts, exploring new worlds, is glp not wonderfull?
So i can actually see the mog with my eyes closed, how is this possible?
the mog is refelcting light,
that is what my eyes see, it is light-info
but there is more,
next to the light the mog is emitting other info you say, i did not succeed yet, but i feel it is true, it must be true
it all fits with what i know already
this gives totally new possibilities for meditating, absorbing data streams
what happens when viewing objects or video's from a master?
what happens when viewing books cd's or dvd's, will i cope?
a step closer to materializing?
I stop meditating now and will have some tea
Quoting: Zorba
Yes, I need to be more clear, on some aspects.
When I talk about streaming of information, this is from the point of view of how most people will perceive this experience because their interpretation framework for this experience says this must be what is happening because your understanding framework says 'I' am my 'body'. The information does not really 'travel' and I'll try and explain why.
I'm sure you've all seen the optical illusions such as stairs that can flip to be upsidedown. See at this link or search on Schroder Stairs
[link to www.torinfo.com]
The picture is not changing when the stairs flips over. All that changes is your perception of what you are seeing.
Now consider, it is well known that a baby does not realise that their foot, is actually their foot. It is a learned association. We identify our thoughts with our body, normally our head, because this is where, 4 of the 5 physical senses lie - sight, sound, taste, smell. But our thoughts are not really in our head. Everyday we are reinforced that we are our body because our body talks directly to us because our awareness is placed within our body. Underwhat conditions does the body stop talking to our awareness ?, answer - when our awareness is elsewhere. Consider, reading a book, loosing yourself in a film, talking intently to somebody else, wrting a document, watching TV, meditating, etc.
Who we are, our identification with our body, is an illusion. When you place your awareness on another object, you are literally moving your 'real' self to that object. Stay with your awareness long enough, and your awareness, suddenly does the flip, just like the stair illusion, this is the whoosh feeling. This is your awareness suddenly saying, I'm no longer attached to my body, I'm attached to the 'mug'. At this point, you are the mug, and you can therefore understand all that it means to be a mug. But your awareness, YOU, are so tied to the idea that you are your body, that it perceives this information as streaming to you, over a distance. So the mug does not send out information, you just move yourself to the mug.
Another trick is to pretend you are the mug. How hot am I. How does my mug 'body' feel. Keep asking yourself these questions. And let your 'imagined' responses flow past. This help to make the flip happen.
But really don't try too hard. The important thing is to get establish a rhythm of doing this. Same time each day, everyday, just like a monk!. Your body soon learns that at this time of day it will not be 'talking' to your awareness. Combine this with a reinforcing trigger and it will come.
As a separate exercise, learn to quiet your body and mind.
With your awareness, observe the glutter of thoughts, feelings, senses that pass through your mind, don't interact with them, to each one, just say 'go', don't ask any questions about them, don't follow a train of thought. Become the observer of your thoughts with your awareness. Notice the that your awareness can be seperate from your thoughts - interesting. Become aware that on a day to day you interact with your thoughts without being aware, it is automatic, but this does not mean they are connected!! You can seperate your awareness from them - move your awareness elsewhere, and have a different 'understanding'.
Belief and open-minded approach that this is possible, is an essential. This is why I said Zorba, has what is required, because, they already are examining what is awareness.
A tree is a good thing to move your awareness to. Ask the tree to give you a sign that you are connected. You will have a shiver go through you or a tingle throughout your body. This is the tree moving its awareness to your body. All living things have an awareness. Can you see how this works.
Yes, you can move your awareness to paper, and with time understand what has been written on that paper. It is more of an overall understanding than 'reading' or viewing of words. To read actual words on a paper you need to move your awareness to ABOVE the paper - very hard to do - I cannot do this.
Connecting to CDs and DVDs is different to what you would expect! The information on them is machine coded so what you get is an understanding - it is the best I can describe. You do not 'hear' the music on the CD, or 'watch' the movie on the DVD!! Or at least that is not what happens to me. Your experience may be different!
I am thinking now, thinking nice thoughts, exploring new worlds, is glp not wonderfull?
So i can actually see the mog with my eyes closed, how is this possible?
the mog is refelcting light,
that is what my eyes see, it is light-info
but there is more,
next to the light the mog is emitting other info you say, i did not succeed yet, but i feel it is true, it must be true
it all fits with what i know already
this gives totally new possibilities for meditating, absorbing data streams
what happens when viewing objects or video's from a master?
what happens when viewing books cd's or dvd's, will i cope?
a step closer to materializing?
I stop meditating now and will have some tea
Quoting: Zorba
Yes, I need to be more clear, on some aspects.
When I talk about streaming of information, this is from the point of view of how most people will perceive this experience because their interpretation framework for this experience says this must be what is happening because your understanding framework says 'I' am my 'body'. The information does not really 'travel' and I'll try and explain why.
I'm sure you've all seen the optical illusions such as stairs that can flip to be upsidedown. See at this link or search on Schroder Stairs
[link to www.torinfo.com]
The picture is not changing when the stairs flips over. All that changes is your perception of what you are seeing.
Now consider, it is well known that a baby does not realise that their foot, is actually their foot. It is a learned association. We identify our thoughts with our body, normally our head, because this is where, 4 of the 5 physical senses lie - sight, sound, taste, smell. But our thoughts are not really in our head. Everyday we are reinforced that we are our body because our body talks directly to us because our awareness is placed within our body. Underwhat conditions does the body stop talking to our awareness ?, answer - when our awareness is elsewhere. Consider, reading a book, loosing yourself in a film, talking intently to somebody else, wrting a document, watching TV, meditating, etc.
Who we are, our identification with our body, is an illusion. When you place your awareness on another object, you are literally moving your 'real' self to that object. Stay with your awareness long enough, and your awareness, suddenly does the flip, just like the stair illusion, this is the whoosh feeling. This is your awareness suddenly saying, I'm no longer attached to my body, I'm attached to the 'mug'. At this point, you are the mug, and you can therefore understand all that it means to be a mug. But your awareness, YOU, are so tied to the idea that you are your body, that it perceives this information as streaming to you, over a distance. So the mug does not send out information, you just move yourself to the mug.
Another trick is to pretend you are the mug. How hot am I. How does my mug 'body' feel. Keep asking yourself these questions. And let your 'imagined' responses flow past. This help to make the flip happen.
But really don't try too hard. The important thing is to get establish a rhythm of doing this. Same time each day, everyday, just like a monk!. Your body soon learns that at this time of day it will not be 'talking' to your awareness. Combine this with a reinforcing trigger and it will come.
As a separate exercise, learn to quiet your body and mind.
With your awareness, observe the glutter of thoughts, feelings, senses that pass through your mind, don't interact with them, to each one, just say 'go', don't ask any questions about them, don't follow a train of thought. Become the observer of your thoughts with your awareness. Notice the that your awareness can be seperate from your thoughts - interesting. Become aware that on a day to day you interact with your thoughts without being aware, it is automatic, but this does not mean they are connected!! You can seperate your awareness from them - move your awareness elsewhere, and have a different 'understanding'.
Belief and open-minded approach that this is possible, is an essential. This is why I said Zorba, has what is required, because, they already are examining what is awareness.
A tree is a good thing to move your awareness to. Ask the tree to give you a sign that you are connected. You will have a shiver go through you or a tingle throughout your body. This is the tree moving its awareness to your body. All living things have an awareness. Can you see how this works.
Yes, you can move your awareness to paper, and with time understand what has been written on that paper. It is more of an overall understanding than 'reading' or viewing of words. To read actual words on a paper you need to move your awareness to ABOVE the paper - very hard to do - I cannot do this.
Connecting to CDs and DVDs is different to what you would expect! The information on them is machine coded so what you get is an understanding - it is the best I can describe. You do not 'hear' the music on the CD, or 'watch' the movie on the DVD!! Or at least that is not what happens to me. Your experience may be different!
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